Jim, Would be you so kind to share your spiced pecan formula? I still have about 10lbs in the freezer from last fall, and looks like right now we're going to have a bumper crop this year... I'm still going to post my wife's pecan pie recipe (the one with 5 cups of nuts). Thanks, Bob/Dallas |
yeah please post the pecan pie recipe!!@! jason --- Bob Baker wrote: <Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>">http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast<Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Is Jim still actively participating on this mailing list? Its been a while for me.frequent reader before but rarely posted. Just wondering because he always seemed to have good info. |
Oh, he pokes his nose out of his burrow every now and then, but not at all regularly. I miss him, too. Here's something else he's been up to lately:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.htmlThe man gets around... On 7/14/06, Daniel Newton wrote: <Snip> le <Snip> e he <Snip> |
Bill, That is the article I was wondering about. That is our Jim there? Interesting. Wonder if he would feel free to talk to us about his new found fame in the national media... :) |
Yes, this is one of the things that has limited my list time, as well =
as the ability to take time to research what I have to do to tune the =
Andreja. It has been a trying day, so far 44 hate e-mails compared
to 28 supportive. On the bright side, no death threats yet. Lot of
media requests I am generally not talking to TV or radio and I am
limiting print media to those willing to take time to understand the
whole complex mess. The Times article is accurate but only has about =
80% of the story.
Also, we got a harassing phone call a few minutes ago that
consisted of a white guy faking an about 1930’s style fake black
dialect asking me to put his love child Tyrone in a directed readings =
class.
I've been examining the hate-email. I find it ironic that 21 of the
current 44 hate mail messages where the writer is unhappy with my
reporting academic dishonesty are deceptive in that they have a
subject line that pretends to be supportive or something like
“homework”. In other words, they are in effect being dishonest in =
the labeling of their expression of contempt and hate for me
reporting dishonesty.
Spent about four hours with a couple of reporters this morning and
introduced them to home roasted coffee. It really helped me make my
case with them I think one of them is seriously thinking about trying =
it. Sent him home with the Sweet Maria's web address.
Pecan Jim
On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:50 PM, Daniel Newton wrote:
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Jim, Sounds like a miserable time for you. Hope you and your family remain safe. If you don't mind me asking what did the NYT leave out of the story? Sounds like an interesting situation going on down there, defiantly not flattering for the school. Again, hope you are safe and can hang on to your sanity. |
Hey Jim, Add another one into the support column here. It's really refreshing these days to hear of someone doing the right thing in a situation like this. Can you tell if the majority of the hate mail comes specifically from Auburn fans, or more generally from those who believe that the true mission of a university is to field a winning football team and that all academic issues are secondary? Lord know we have plenty of those around UT Austin, where I work. Was the faculty member involved getting compensated extra for his supposed teaching load, or just a football fan? This sounds like the kind of thing that would require at least tacit approval from higher up. How are the Department Chair and/or Dean taking this? (If these questions seem too sensitive for a public list, feel free to reply privately or just ignore them.) Anyway, it's great to hear from you, whatever the context. Keep up the good work! Regards, Bill On 7/14/06, jim gundlach wrote: <Snip> |
I just went back to look at the article again and realized that I had only ready the first couple of pages. The answers to my questions were right there in the rest of the story. I give myself a D on this reading assignment. :-) Dimly, Bill On 7/15/06, Bill Morgan wrote: <Snip> |
Unless you're an athlete, then it'd be at least a B+ On 7/15/06, Bill Morgan wrote: <Snip> -- "There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we don't know." -- Ambrose Bierce |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I don't know Michael, I read the article and didn't read anything relating to preferential treatment for athletes. It did sound as if the classes were easy A's or B's, but that was for all students not athletes. Seems like there are these types of courses at all Universities. I certainly know there were some where I went. My apologies for the lack of coffee content in these posts. From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Michael Wascher Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:54 AM To: homeroast Subject: Re: Re: Re: +Pecan Jim Unless you're an athlete, then it'd be at least a B+ On 7/15/06, Bill Morgan wrote: I just went back to look at the article again and realized that I had only ready the first couple of pages. The answers to my questions were right there in the rest of the story. I give myself a D on this reading assignment. :-) Dimly, Bill On 7/15/06, Bill Morgan wrote: <Snip>-- "There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we don't know." -- Ambrose Bierce |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Back in the day - I was a TA for a class called "Exceptional People" at the University of Fl. Had Emmit Smith and about 30 others Football folks, Livingston Chapman the current B Ball star center for UF. Class was pretty much attendance only, if you had a pulse and made it to class, you got a B. If you did the projects, you got an A. There are other classes like that at UF and all the other schools I attended (I went to three schools before graduating at UF.I had, er "academic challenges" back then - most of them 12 oz. Or 90 proof - I do have many fond yet somewhat blurry memories of my college years). Sean M. Cary Major USMC Tempus Fugit - Memento Mori From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Daniel Newton Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:39 AM To: homeroast Subject: RE: Re: Re: +Pecan Jim I don't know Michael, I read the article and didn't read anything relating to preferential treatment for athletes. It did sound as if the classes were easy A's or B's, but that was for all students not athletes. Seems like there are these types of courses at all Universities. I certainly know there were some where I went. My apologies for the lack of coffee content in these posts. From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Michael Wascher Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:54 AM To: homeroast Subject: Re: Re: Re: +Pecan Jim Unless you're an athlete, then it'd be at least a B+ On 7/15/06, Bill Morgan wrote: I just went back to look at the article again and realized that I had only ready the first couple of pages. The answers to my questions were right there in the rest of the story. I give myself a D on this reading assignment. :-) Dimly, Bill On 7/15/06, Bill Morgan wrote: <Snip>-- "There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we don't know." -- Ambrose Bierce |
On 7/16/06, Sean Cary wrote: <Snip> t <Snip> ks, <Snip> I do <Snip> Sorry for continuing this off-topic thread. I just wanted to say my piece about this situation. I've fairly recently graduated from college. While = I was there I tried to learn as much as I could and was surrounded by many other people doing the same. Of course, college students don't have the reputation for being studious, it seems, anymore. Instead, college is (turning in to?) a less-supervised extension of high school. And once out, big surprise, the job market reflects this devaluation of higher education and lowering of standards. I don't think situations like this help at all. School should be about learning, first and foremost. College should a place where studying is one's responsibility and JOB. If students approached college this way, maybe as a whole we'd be taken more seriously. Instead, institutions of higher learning are more and more being thought of as places of refuge for people who couldn't cut it in the real world, and a college education means less and less to an employer over someone with actual job skills. After all, why should someone get hired because they went to a place that allowed them to party and skate for four years before joining the real world? It just kind of sickens me, to be honest. As for the academic sheltering of college athletes, I think the universitie= s that do this are self-serving and neither thinking about their primary purpose nor the poor students that don't make it into the pros. Personally= , I think whoever exposes such blatantly unethical behaviour should be praised. No one should be handed a college degree unless they've earned it. It cheapens it for the rest of us who worked hard to get it, and it makes it harder for employers to separate the wheat from the chaff. -- Steven Hay hay.steve -AT- gmail.com Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural number which requires more than 50 words to describe it." |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Again, apologies for continuing the thread, but it is an interesting subject and we have a member who has first hand knowledge. I agree with Steve that this is cheapening the value of a college degree. Students these days want to obtain their degree in the easiest fashion possible, and that is unfortunate. When reading this article it reminded me of a program that was played on ESPN 4-5 years ago about this very same matter. Duke was one of the programs that was found to have a large number of these IS classes. I also remember an article in the Dallas paper recently (December perhaps) where a couple of players at the University of Alabama talked about an IS class they took worth 5-6 hours that consisted of a 5 page paper (if I remember correctly). Now that is a tragedy, 6 hours credit for 5 pages. From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Steve Hay Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:32 PM To: homeroast Subject: Re: Re: Re: +Pecan Jim On 7/16/06, Sean Cary wrote: Back in the day - I was a TA for a class called "Exceptional People" at the University of Fl. Had Emmit Smith and about 30 others Football folks, Livingston Chapman the current B Ball star center for UF. Class was pretty much attendance only, if you had a pulse and made it to class, you got a B. If you did the projects, you got an A. There are other classes like that at UF and all the other schools I attended (I went to three schools before graduating at UF.I had, er "academic challenges" back then - most of them 12 oz. Or 90 proof - I do have many fond yet somewhat blurry memories of my college years). Sorry for continuing this off-topic thread. I just wanted to say my piece about this situation. I've fairly recently graduated from college. While I was there I tried to learn as much as I could and was surrounded by many other people doing the same. Of course, college students don't have the reputation for being studious, it seems, anymore. Instead, college is (turning in to?) a less-supervised extension of high school. And once out, big surprise, the job market reflects this devaluation of higher education and lowering of standards. I don't think situations like this help at all. School should be about learning, first and foremost. College should a place where studying is one's responsibility and JOB. If students approached college this way, maybe as a whole we'd be taken more seriously. Instead, institutions of higher learning are more and more being thought of as places of refuge for people who couldn't cut it in the real world, and a college education means less and less to an employer over someone with actual job skills. After all, why should someone get hired because they went to a place that allowed them to party and skate for four years before joining the real world? It just kind of sickens me, to be honest. As for the academic sheltering of college athletes, I think the universities that do this are self-serving and neither thinking about their primary purpose nor the poor students that don't make it into the pros. Personally, I think whoever exposes such blatantly unethical behaviour should be praised. No one should be handed a college degree unless they've earned it. It cheapens it for the rest of us who worked hard to get it, and it makes it harder for employers to separate the wheat from the chaff. -- Steven Hay hay.steve -AT- gmail.com Barry Paradox: Consider k to be the greatest element of the set of natural numbers whose description require maximum of 50 words: "(k+1) is a natural number which requires more than 50 words to describe it." |
I must say there are abuses for other reasons too. I had a class where the prof let you choose: 1. Two papers, completely researched & cross-referenced one 5 pages & the other 15 pages, and an oral presentation to the class; 2. Proof-read a chapter of the profs new book & double check the citations & cross-references. The class was crap, as was the new book & the required text for the class (also written by the prof). I chose option 2 & avoided that particular prof forevermore. On 7/16/06, Daniel Newton wrote: <Snip> ese <Snip> t <Snip> at <Snip> ne <Snip> . <Snip> ) <Snip> … <Snip> at <Snip> ks, <Snip> ty <Snip> B. <Snip> I do <Snip> by <Snip> s <Snip> t, <Snip> n <Snip> r <Snip> ns <Snip> ed <Snip> ir <Snip> ve <Snip> and <Snip> l <Snip> l <Snip> -- "There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we don't know." -- Ambrose Bierce |
Note- Jim is leaving the school- it's not a small thing to dissociate oneself from such a fiasco. "...this is cheapening the value of a college degree. Students these days want to obtain their degree in the easiest fashion possible, and that is unfortunate." Auburn Student Financial Services estimates this year's cost at $27,000. Send 'em to Mines. There's Foss Drug Store and maybe a SCSI cofee shop -ro On 7/16/06, Daniel Newton wrote: <Snip> ese <Snip> t <Snip> at <Snip> ne <Snip> . <Snip> ) <Snip> … <Snip> at <Snip> ks, <Snip> ty <Snip> B. <Snip> I do <Snip> by <Snip> s <Snip> t, <Snip> n <Snip> r <Snip> ns <Snip> ed <Snip> ir <Snip> ve <Snip> and <Snip> l <Snip> l <Snip> -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Might= y Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976 |
Jim: off topic but just read about "yet another Auburn mess"....Kudos for your fortitude! That's got to have taken a toll on you so take care of yourself and don't let them victimize you. Add me to your list of positive emails and if you need another 50 people to congratulate your ethics I'll start rounding them up immediately..... take care Fred Shipley Oregon (not EVEN ready to see what's under the hood of the U of O football program....) |
I'm surprised that there's not a class in Shugology down on the plains and a class in Bearology at the Capstone. Football in Alabama is a religion. Has Tubby had any response? I read that you are retiring - staying in Alabama? Okay, now the obvious joke - are they using Lowder's jet to travel and interview for your replacement? I'm sure you will be missed. Thanks for doing what's right. Oh, to bring coffee to this - I started drinking premium coffee while in college at the U of Montevallo back in the mid eighties. Gregg |
Now the Gray Lady has weighed in:http://tinyurl.com/pe26m |
On 7/14/06, jim gundlach wrote: <Snip> Jim I think you are nobel and brave. I am proud to know you. Jared |
--Apple-Mail-3-911641332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset NDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I guess the sad thing about this is that UF is in many ways an excellent institution, although most of us think of the school in terms of football or basketball. I did not go to school there, but it = was on my list of prospective graduate schools when I was going down that road. I ended up at Georgia Tech instead. Back to the original off-topic-ness... I understand what Jim is going = through. I lived in Birmingham for a while and I have family there. The state is football mad, and it often seems that the biggest and most troublesome fans for both Auburn and the University of Alabama did not attend either school. My mother did some time on the admissions committee at Samford University, which is a small Baptist school, in Birmingham. The number of applications jumped after Samford went to the final or semi- = final game for the football championship of whatever NCAA division they are in. The football coach at the time was Terry Bowden, who later had his day at Auburn. Finally, Dexter Manley wrote a book titled _Educating_Dexter_ about his time at Oklahoma State. He was illiterate when he completed his eligibility. No, he did not graduate, and he had some help writing the book. My mother was teaching at Oklahoma State at the time, and Dexter was in one of her classes. It was some sort of Introduction to = Management class and she gave multiple-choice tests. Dexter knew to go for classes with multiple-choice exams because he could guess at the answers without needing to read the questions. An exam from my mother's class is used as an exhibit in the book. Dexter received a "D". Dexter lays much blame at the feet of OSU, and while the University was not blameless, Dexter readily admits that he cheated his way though many of his classes. I enjoyed watching Dexter play football, but he never should have been allowed on campus. Anyway, back to coffee... [I originally sent this yesterday, but it bounced.] On Jul 16, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Sean Cary wrote: <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> proof <Snip> --Apple-Mail-3-911641332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset NDOWS-1252 |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Jim, you are courageous and inspiring. Thank you. Barbara Jared Andersson wrote: <Snip> |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Way to go Jim, good luck in you quest for better student athletes. I know that football is a the major money maker for colleges and some of = these athletes attending would never make it as scholars, but could very = well make it as pro athletes, I think they should have a chance to make it to the pros on there = athletic abilities, and College is great place to showcase their = talents. I'm not sure but believe they should be allowed to play but = don't give them degrees if they can't earn it on their own abilities, = maybe a certificate of attendance but not a degree. This would at least = give them a chance to make it at the pro level RK |
Standing firm for what is right isn't always easy. What we see as
morally wrong others don't see as wrong because they can only see the
benefits of their desires.
Yes, football is a big financial asset to most colleges and universities,
and it's great for recruitment when an alumni makes it in the NFL, but if
you turn out a man who can't even sign his own name to a check....Education
HAS to be the top priority of our schools. America CAN"T AFFORD to loss
ground to the rest of the world in education.
So from a die hard SOONER FAN....Keep on the Path of Doing What is Right.
...BOOMER....SOONER.... and whatever the Auburn folks say...Oh and the
coffee thing...I am brewing a blend of 2/3 Ethiopia Harrar Horse Lot #19
with 1/3 Guatamala Heuhuetanago. Keep on Topic AND Coffee related.
Terry T
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I have to agree with Ron. And to add to that thought, if the money from sports is what funds the colleges, the players should be considered "fund-raisers", and should be paid for their services in cold, hard cash. In effect, they are being paid by all the "inducements" and concessions being made to them so that they will play for that college, and not another. If they want to get a degree, or credits toward a degree while they are at the college, fine...They can pay for it from their earnings and take their chances in the classes like any other student. Besides, they could always go to college after they have amassed their fortune from entertaining the hordes. They could "attend" one of the many institutions of higher learning where you pays your money and you gets your degree... I blame the hypocrisy involved in trying to say that these are students first. We finally allowed pros to play in the Olympics. Maybe,this will be the next step.... A+ <Snip> |