Some how it seems appropriate lately.
The more I learn, the more I know; the more I know, the more I learn; the 
more I learn, the more I learn I didn't know what I thought I knew. I 
thought I knew a lot, but now know I did not. I do know that I don't know 
what I don't know so I must keep learning what I do not know even though I 
do not know what I do not know. In the end, it looks like I will know 
nothing because the more I learn, the more I know I know less than I 
thought I knew. I think I would rather know nothing, and be wrong about 
that than know I know it all and be wrong about that!"
--
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

" I know noth-ing..Herr commandant..." Sgt Shultz,  from Hogans Heroes
obviously came to the same conclusion ;-0

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rd laing??
 reads like something from knots.
kenr

Nope, yours truly.  What is knots?
Sometime around 09:52 1/29/2005, sippin typed:
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John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

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John:
 
All too often these days all I can remember is that I used to know
something, long ago, but can't remember it any more.   That's why there =
are
so many links to "source" in my otherwise "opinion" posts . . . If *I* =
don't
trust my memory, how can I expect anyone else to?  And even when I'm =
*sure*
(like how a Newcomen/Watt steam engine works, or its similarity to how a =
vac
pot works ) why expect anyone to believe a semi-anonymous curmudgeon =
on
the homeroast list (that is,  believe *my* explanation) when it's so =
easy to
point to a reasonably authoritative source?
 
It certainly does seem that as knowledge grows awareness of ignorance =
grows
faster (and failing memory certainly doesn't help that ).  That's
probably why so many people just give up the quest and turn to "faith"
instead.  There are ways (many ways ) in which life is easier if one =
is
not always troubled by thinking about things.  And, of course, if one
doesn't think one is spared the embarrassment of ever being wrong, and =
the
unending struggle of learning . . . 
 
The Armstrong quote that Scott posted is quite correct (as any teacher =
can
tell you ).  It is much harder to teach a language, for example, to
someone who has already "learned" incorrect pronunciation and grammar
(which, then, has to be "unlearned") . . . or to someone who tries to =
force
the grammar of the language they know onto the language they're =
learning, as
if the only thing that is changed from one language to another is the =
words.
Similar difficulties arise trying to translate "scientific" and
"engineering" language into "common" language . . . not only does the
meaning of words often become different (sometimes less precise, =
sometimes
different altogether) but the underlying "logic" often changes as well,
along with the presumption of a common understanding of that logic and =
the
"facts" surrounding it.  It's a problem . . .
 
Deward

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who is knots??
i bet it is don, right?
How about Who's on first?

Myron Joshua wrote:
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Yes.
JeffO

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R.D. Laing - A psychiatrist who wrote, among other things, a book of =
"poetry" called knots. What Frightened me most about the book was that I =
understood it..
kenr
There is something I don't know that I am supposed to know. I don't know =
what it is I don't know, and yet am supposed to know, And I feel I look =
stupid if I seem both not to know it and not know what it is I don't =
know. Therefore, I pretend to know it. This is nerve-wracking since I =
don't know what I must pretend to know. Therefore, I pretend to know =
everything - Knots 
They are playing a game. They are playing at not playing a game. If I =
show them I see they are, I shall break the rules and they will punish =
me. I must play their game, of not seeing I see the game - Knots
Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one =
hundred percent.
The range of what we think and do is limited by what we fail to notice. =
And because we fail to notice that we fail to notice, there is little we =
can do to change; until we notice how failing to notice shapes our =
thoughts and deeds.

John:
 
All too often these days all I can remember is that I used to know
something, long ago, but can’t remember it any more.   That’s =
why there are
so many links to “source” in my otherwise “opinion” posts . . . =
If *I* don’t
trust my memory, how can I expect anyone else to?  And even when I’m =
*sure*
(like how a Newcomen/Watt steam engine works, or its similarity to how a =
vac
pot works ) why expect anyone to believe a semi-anonymous curmudgeon =
on
the homeroast list (that is,  believe *my* explanation) when it’s so =
easy to
point to a reasonably authoritative source?
 
It certainly does seem that as knowledge grows awareness of ignorance =
grows
faster (and failing memory certainly doesn’t help that ).  =
That’s
probably why so many people just give up the quest and turn to =
“faith”
instead.  There are ways (many ways ) in which life is easier if =
one is
not always troubled by thinking about things.  And, of course, if one
doesn’t think one is spared the embarrassment of ever being wrong, and =
the
unending struggle of learning . . . 
 
The Armstrong quote that Scott posted is quite correct (as any teacher =
can
tell you ).  It is much harder to teach a language, for example, to
someone who has already “learned” incorrect pronunciation and =
grammar
(which, then, has to be “unlearned”) . . . or to someone who tries =
to force
the grammar of the language they know onto the language they’re =
learning, as
if the only thing that is changed from one language to another is the
words.  Similar difficulties arise trying to translate =
“scientific” and
“engineering” language into “common” language . . . not only =
does the
meaning of words often become different (sometimes less precise, =
sometimes
different altogether) but the underlying “logic” often changes as =
well,
along with the presumption of a common understanding of that logic and =
the
“facts” surrounding it.  It’s a problem . . .
 
Deward
 
 
 
 

Gosh,
and I thought I was the only curmudgeon on this list.
Thanks Deward :)
PeterZ
Very much relieved now, here in LHC.
Deward Hastings wrote:
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Peter:
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We are legion . . . 
Deward

Oh for freakin' out loud people.  It's an email list.  It's about =
coffee.  
If you can't let go of issues/definitions about what constitutes steam, =
air,
or a vacuum, there's certainly another list you can flog it out on.
Even a dog will let go of a stale bone.
Brent
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Oh Brent,
We all make very good coffee.
We
( some of us )
just get caught up in the details of better defining different degrees 
of excellence.
Of course I never would, because my roaster is the best.
PeterZ
he he
Brent - SC/TO Roasting wrote:
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Hey . . . Brent . . . what's that in your mouth ? ? ? the discussion's =
moved
on . . .
Deward

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Or, as I fear, bury it so it can be enjoyed again later...
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

Stale or not I am careful which bones I chew on.  I have heared that
some will choke you.  Jared
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Nah, rd laing wrote a book of rather convoluted exercises in logic
called "knots"; I see that someone else on this list is familiar with
it, too. Just so long as we stay away from the Smullyan books, I figure
we're still safe... 
                                 James

Does a bone actually go stale??
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