Saw this on yahoo news.http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/11246761.htm-------- Florida coffee drinkers may soon wake up to a Broward-grown brew. J.C. Nadeau, as if an alchemist-turned-coffee-roaster, is betting his locally grown coffee will be tastier and more pure than pricier blends. The Coconut Creek resident is importing Colombian coffee plants that are customized for Florida's unique soil. Within the next week, he says, a caffeinated crop will go into the ground on a leased, 10-acre patch of farmland in western Davie. State farm officials are closely watching Nadeau's progress. If he succeeds, his would be the first commercial coffee plantation in Florida. [snip] But Florida's winter climate, while ideal for snowbirds and vacationers, may be too cold for the finicky coffee plant, which thrives at temperatures between 55 and 80 degrees. While South Florida's temperatures normally stay in that range, the occasional freeze or bout of cold weather could ruin a crop. Jonathan Crane, a tropical-fruit-crop specialist at the University of Florida's Tropical Research and Education Center in Homestead, says the region's high humidity during the summer also can weaken coffee plants. The U.S. Department of Agriculture once maintained a coffee collection near the coast in southern Miami-Dade County, but agronomists eventually gave up and found it easier to grow cacao instead. ''If coffee could be grown here commercially,'' said Crane, ``it would already be commercially cultivated here.''
altitude might be a problem as well. Bill Z On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:49:40 -0500, John David Huddle wrote: <Snip> -- William R. Zambon First Presbyterian Church, Wyandotte MI (734) 282-3160 (734) 272-7062 cell
Having coffee plants of my own growing I will attest to that statement. They are rather sensitive, and yep the first cold weather will 'stun' them and yep the first frost, no matter how mild, will turn them into tumbleweeds. I wonder how they would do growing in a greenhouse. Oh well, in a year or so when I am in a position where I can finally move into my own house, that's one of the first projects I plan on doing is putting up a green house for my vanilla, saffron, and of course coffee plants, and seeing how well they do. aaron
I was thinking the same thing. When I lived in Gainesville for a year while doing an internship, I read that Space Mountain at Disney World was the third highest peak in Florida. Never checked to see if that was true, but the lay of the land around Central Florida left little reason to doubt it. ---Frank Bill Zambon wrote: <Snip>
"As he prepares his coffee plantation, he's also seeking franchisees to run their own Wagon Wheel cart or store." I guess any press is good press...
Ski Orlando! Brett On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:08:43 -0500, Bill Zambon wrote: <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
From my own growing experience in Florida, I don't think he stands a chance. Freezes do happen, and the plants just can not take it. I lost half a dozen trees. For a moment there, I thought I was being talked about :-) (my middle initial is C) Sometime around 14:49 3/30/2005, John David Huddle typed: <Snip> -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.dreamsandbones.net/blog/http://www.chocolatealchemy.com/
aslo.. cost of labor here is allot higher here... .. but.. we have some = technologies we could use to compensate?? lol how about one of those Nut Shakers like Jesse James made in Monster Garage but with a 4 wheeler??? to make it cost effective..he might have to take ALL the beans so char$ will have enough if he plans to sell commercially...hmm... Im real curious about all this too... Dennis On Mar 31, 2005, at 7:25 AM, AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> <Snip> I <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> <Snip>
The thought of being a coffee plantation lord in southeast Florida catch your fancy? It does sound kind of appealing but I have some real = problems with the logistics of the fellow's plan. The story states "If all goes = as planned, Nadeau expects to harvest in about eight months 15,000 pounds = of beans from an initial planting of 5,000 coffee trees." This would imply = that all of the trees he's going to plant are of fruit bearing age which, my understanding is 6-8 years. I think it more likely that it rains pecan smoked bacon than he sees a commercial harvest in eight months. I am not familiar with any coffee growing areas that lie outside of the Tropic of Cancer or the Tropic of Capricorn or the particulars = associated with such and would very much enjoy any discourse on related subjects.
Tom Ulmer wrote: <Snip> Hmmmmmm, bacon. -- Mike
The plants don't need freezes to suffer. Temps as low as 45F have wilted my trees! He may end up losing his investment unless he protects his trees - which in turn can become prohibitively expensive! Either way, this fella may eventually move his operation south of the border to a more amicable environment. You can get a crop from a 4th year tree, but it's not as big as more mature trees. Of course, tho, that depends on whether those trees survive to that age. :) Speaking of which - Tom's little seedlings are still happily growing along. I'll be potting them up here pretty soon, along with my kona seedlings... Have fun, Mike --http://www.taroandti.com/http://www.mjv.com/ Tom Ulmer wrote: <Snip>
I missed the story, but a broker told me that the guy sounds like he knows zilch about coffee. I can't imagine the altitude he would get in florida but I know the humidity will cause a lot of fungal problems. He said something about store-bought coffee having preservatives in it? Oh well ... I had always thought it might be possible to plant coffee at a decent altitude in Santa Barbara and protect it from frost by it's proximity to the ocean. Tom -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters" Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting - Tom & Maria http://www.sweetmarias.com Thompson Owen george
On Mar 31, 2005, at 1:27pm, Tom & Maria - Sweet Maria's Coffee wrote: <Snip> I'm no expert but, based on the TotN interview, I suspect his evaluation of his knowledge may be accurate. He spent the whole time talking about soil pH and how they installed irrigation because, "a lot of water runs down the mountains to the coffee trees." Somewhat dubious reasoning, at best, but, if it were that simple, people would be growing coffee in the SJ Valley. John Blumel