Actually, I think Mike was calling Aaron on referring to "Much into 
2nd crack" and the loose of flavor of the original bean AS 
"espresso".  Yes, they both seem to agree that *$ style roasting is 
not good for origin flavor.
At 05:08 7/6/2006, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/

You missed at least my point.  I don't hate *$ (although I am not 
really a fan) - it's IS the method I hate.  In MY book, anything past 
FC+ is just wrong.  Never liked it, can't see I ever will.
At 06:39 7/6/2006, you wrote:
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John Nanci
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting , Blending & Espresso pulling by Gestalthttp://www.chocolatealchemy.com/