This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Any takers on these questions? (i posted them friday night at midnight = and perhaps they got lost in the 60+ posts after it, if no one answers = this time, i'll drop it). :) 1. What is the harm/benefit to preheating the roaster before dropping = the beans in? I have read that the roasters should be allowed to cool = completely before roasting another batch. Should a roaster be at room = temp before the next batch, or is there harm/benefit to starting out a = littler warmer (or a lot warmer)? 2. Since my wife Beth and I started roasting our own coffee this past = month, I decided to break out the French press - hadn't used it in a = couple years. Turns out we can't stomach like the coffee brewed in our = French Press, our Starbucks coffee pot just isn't doing it for us. We = noticed the Technivorm Brewer on SweetMarias - is this they way to go = for convenience - if so which model? or are they all basically the same. = Other suggestions? The Chemex looked interesting as well, but I'm = looking for something to use when we don't want to be as hands-on. later, jason |
I love the KMB, and it is the ultimate in non-hands-on, but they are really tough to find these days. Grind, load into grounds container and water into the water holder, turn the machine on, come back in 5 or 6 (I'm guessing here, never timed it) minutes, and pour into thermos, airpot etc. I've read a fair amount on the list abut some amount of attention that one needs to pay when using the Technivorm with our good fresh roasted beans. I believe it is a bloom/stirring issue, but one of the folks using it would be a better source of info than I could ever be. vicki Jason D. Montgomery wrote: I'm <Snip> |
Interesting. I've not heard of the KMB - but it sounds interesting. I'll = have to look into that. Thanks for the suggestion. BTW, you mentioned the KMB is difficult to find - it looks like = amazon.com has some in stock for anyone whose interested:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000Y61KE= Seriously, people should be able to give coffee machines a trial run for = a couple weeks. My wife and I have been through too many coffee = machines. We tried smaller industrial coffee makers and still have been = disappointed. 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They must have located a stash--the pot has been discontinued in North America, and was not available there recently. I notice that it now costs a whole lot more than I paid for the two I have. Yup, I bought a back-up when I heard it was being discontinued. I know there are some people on the list who really want them and were having a hard time locating them. IMO, they are worth the price. v Jason D. Montgomery wrote: <Snip> |
Depends on the roasting appliance whether they could/should be pre-heated or whether it is "safe" to do back to back batches without cooling. For repeatable of roasts it is most effective to start each batch from the same starting point. I've been doing back to back roasts with my Rostos for over 5 years with the only cooling inbetween batches the cooling cycle. It is not completely cooled to room temp by any stretch of the imagination. I run a brief no bean heating run so the first batch will be about the same starting temp as subsequent batches. Depending on the roaster and control you have of the roaster's profile, pre-heating could have the adverse effect of too quick a drying stage leading up to tanning, often resulting in grassy undeveloped taste and less even roasting. If you have specific questions about your roasting please include how your are roasting. The Technivorn is one of the very few drip brewers that brews at ~200f. The vast majority drip brewers brew too cool yielding a flat lifeless sometimes even sour brew. Just curious, what can't you stomach about Press Pot brewing? Have you reviewed Press Pot brewing how to on SM website? What grinder are you using? Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Jason D. Montgomery Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:19 PM Any takers on these questions? (i posted them friday night at midnight and perhaps they got lost in the 60+ posts after it, if no one answers this time, i'll drop it). :) 1. What is the harm/benefit to preheating the roaster before dropping the beans in? I have read that the roasters should be allowed to cool completely before roasting another batch. Should a roaster be at room temp before the next batch, or is there harm/benefit to starting out a littler warmer (or a lot warmer)? 2. Since my wife Beth and I started roasting our own coffee this past month, I decided to break out the French press - hadn't used it in a couple years. Turns out we can't stomach like the coffee brewed in our French Press, our Starbucks coffee pot just isn't doing it for us. We noticed the Technivorm Brewer on SweetMarias - is this they way to go for convenience - if so which model? or are they all basically the same. Other suggestions? The Chemex looked interesting as well, but I'm looking for something to use when we don't want to be as hands-on. later, jason |
Regarding the french press, I love mine. One thing though is I grind VERY coarse for FP. I use a couple old Zassenhaus and Trosser grinders for FP. This removes any bitterness and results in a wonderfully sweet cup. Mybe this can help you too> On 7/8/06, Jason D. Montgomery wrote: <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast Zassman |
Whoa - my second question got totally jacked up. What I meant to say = was: "Turns out we can't stomach like the coffee brewed in our *$ Barista = Drip Pot" - WE LOVE THE FRENCH PRESS. Must have been too late. later, jason From: homeroast-admin on behalf of miKe mcKoffee Sent: Sun 7/9/2006 3:49 AM To: homeroast Subject: RE: +Couple of questions Depends on the roasting appliance whether they could/should be = pre-heated or whether it is "safe" to do back to back batches without cooling. For repeatable of roasts it is most effective to start each batch from the = same starting point. I've been doing back to back roasts with my Rostos for = over 5 years with the only cooling inbetween batches the cooling cycle. It is = not completely cooled to room temp by any stretch of the imagination. I run = a brief no bean heating run so the first batch will be about the same = starting temp as subsequent batches. Depending on the roaster and control you = have of the roaster's profile, pre-heating could have the adverse effect of too quick a drying stage leading up to tanning, often resulting in grassy undeveloped taste and less even roasting. If you have specific questions about your roasting please include how your are roasting. The Technivorn is one of the very few drip brewers that brews at ~200f. = The vast majority drip brewers brew too cool yielding a flat lifeless = sometimes even sour brew. Just curious, what can't you stomach about Press Pot brewing? Have you reviewed Press Pot brewing how to on SM website? What grinder are you using? Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I = must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal = enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone = before. From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Jason D. Montgomery Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:19 PM Any takers on these questions? (i posted them friday night at midnight and perhaps they got lost in the 60+ posts after it, if no one answers this time, i'll drop it). :) 1. What is the harm/benefit to preheating the roaster before dropping the beans in? I have read that the roasters should be allowed = to cool completely before roasting another batch. Should a roaster be at = room temp before the next batch, or is there harm/benefit to starting out a littler warmer (or a lot warmer)? 2. Since my wife Beth and I started roasting our own coffee this past month, I decided to break out the French press - hadn't used it in = a couple years. Turns out we can't stomach like the coffee brewed in our French Press, our Starbucks coffee pot just isn't doing it for us. We noticed the Technivorm Brewer on SweetMarias - is this they way to go = for convenience - if so which model? or are they all basically the same. = Other suggestions? 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<Snip> Your question has two answers. Some equipment requires a cooldown so as to work properly the next roast, and not damage the electonics. Preheating the roaster may be part of the profile to suit the particular coffee being roasted. I personally do cold starts in my equipment because it is easier, more energy saving, and I see no taste advantage to preheating. <Snip> You need more experience with the press. Every step of the process has an optimum value which you need to determine. Read and try instructions from others, then change to suit your taste. I used a press for years, got tired of the messy cleanup, and now make cowboy coffee almost exclusively. -- |
Cowboy coffee? Does that mean you just boil some water and pour it over = the grounds? (used google) - what's with the egg shell? I tried this at work the other day with some fresh roasted I brought = into work ground that morning - turns out by the time I could drink it = (when the grounds had finally settled) it was too cold (but I drank it = anyway). Would have preferred it warmer. Perhaps I didn't grind it fine = enough? later, jason From: homeroast-admin on behalf of Ken Mary Sent: Sun 7/9/2006 9:24 AM To: homeroast Subject: Re: +Couple of questions <Snip> the <Snip> Your question has two answers. Some equipment requires a cooldown so as = to work properly the next roast, and not damage the electonics. Preheating the roaster may be part of the profile to suit the particular coffee being roasted. I personally do cold starts in my equipment = because it is easier, more energy saving, and I see no taste advantage to = preheating. <Snip> couple <Snip> You need more experience with the press. Every step of the process has = an optimum value which you need to determine. Read and try instructions = from others, then change to suit your taste. 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Get rid of your typrwronger, Jason -ro On 7/9/06, Jason D. Montgomery wrote: <Snip> -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita WurliTzer- 1976 |
<Snip> No boiling and no egg shell, both disgusting to my senses. Here is my procedure for a 12 ounce mug of coffee using a pyrex measuring cup: Put ground coffee in 1 1/3 cups cold or room temp water and stir to wet the grounds. Put in microwave for 1 minute or so then stir. Put back in microwave and heat until you notice large bubbles forming in the foam layer, stop and stir well. Return to the microwave and heat until the foam BEGINS to rise and immediately stop it and stir. Be careful on this last heat or the coffee will boil and overflow. Allow to steep with occasional stirring for one minute, then settle for 30 seconds. Pour into your cup. All of the grounds should have settled. The steep and settle time allows enough heat to sink into the pyrex glass for proper settling. A poor grinder will make some larger chunky grounds which will not settle, so use a better grinder. Important, do not gulp down the last portion of the cup, there will be mud. -- |
Nice - I'll have to try that. From: homeroast-admin on behalf of Ken Mary Sent: Sun 7/9/2006 10:40 AM To: homeroast Subject: Re: +Couple of questions <Snip> over the <Snip> No boiling and no egg shell, both disgusting to my senses. Here is my procedure for a 12 ounce mug of coffee using a pyrex = measuring cup: Put ground coffee in 1 1/3 cups cold or room temp water and stir to wet = the grounds. Put in microwave for 1 minute or so then stir. Put back in microwave and heat until you notice large bubbles forming in the foam = layer, stop and stir well. Return to the microwave and heat until the foam = BEGINS to rise and immediately stop it and stir. Be careful on this last heat = or the coffee will boil and overflow. Allow to steep with occasional = stirring for one minute, then settle for 30 seconds. Pour into your cup. All of the grounds should have settled. The steep and settle time allows enough heat to sink into the pyrex glass for proper settling. 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Forgot to ask - how fine of a grind do you use? later, jason From: homeroast-admin on behalf of Ken Mary Sent: Sun 7/9/2006 10:40 AM To: homeroast Subject: Re: +Couple of questions <Snip> over the <Snip> No boiling and no egg shell, both disgusting to my senses. Here is my procedure for a 12 ounce mug of coffee using a pyrex = measuring cup: Put ground coffee in 1 1/3 cups cold or room temp water and stir to wet = the grounds. Put in microwave for 1 minute or so then stir. Put back in microwave and heat until you notice large bubbles forming in the foam = layer, stop and stir well. Return to the microwave and heat until the foam = BEGINS to rise and immediately stop it and stir. Be careful on this last heat = or the coffee will boil and overflow. Allow to steep with occasional = stirring for one minute, then settle for 30 seconds. Pour into your cup. All of the grounds should have settled. The steep and settle time allows enough heat to sink into the pyrex glass for proper settling. 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--Apple-Mail-47-212275687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I generally have much better results grinding for French press in a manual portable grinder, either Zass Turkish on its coarsest setting or Traveller II. I have experimented traveling with a blade grinder, and even my SMP at home--and neither grinds coarsely yet evenly. On Jul 9, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Brett Mason wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com --Apple-Mail-47-212275687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 I generally have much better = results grinding for French press in a manual portable grinder, either = Zass Turkish on its coarsest setting or Traveller II. I have = experimented traveling with a blade grinder, and even my SMP at = home--and neither grinds coarsely yet evenly. On Jul 9, = 2006, at 7:30 AM, Brett Mason wrote: |
--Apple-Mail-51-213546101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 9, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Ken Mary wrote: <Snip> But that's the best part! Sandy www.sandyandina.com --Apple-Mail-51-213546101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 On Jul 9, 2006, at = 9:40 AM, Ken Mary wrote: |
Old Wives' Tale: "...roasters should be allowed to cool completely before roasting another batch." New Wives' Tale: Due to the machinations of some of some pot-bellied elected types- saving us from ourselves- we tax paying Orangutans need the servicing of a Thermal Fuse when dealing with anything more complicated than a Banana Tree. The short answer is: If an electric appliance makes heat and/ or is motor-operated and can be left in operation while unattended, you will be served with F(TH) somewhere in the circuit. Just run a couple of cooldown cycles after the end of a roast and you'll be all set to roast another batch without incident. Dead microwaves are usually due to an open fuse, BTW. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Espresso is a Best Use of Water- |
<Snip> Start with your largest "espresso" grind then if you get too much mud go larger. If too many floaters then grind smaller. -- |
With respect to your question about the Technivorms ... I purchased the Moccamaster CD about a month ago. Although I do stir the brew in the filter basket most of the time, it is not necessary. This is an excellent set and forget coffeemaker. Another aspect I like about this coffee maker is the ability and ease with which just about everything comes apart so that it can be cleaned. I hope this helps. Eddie Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |