When I order beans from SM i usually order some one way valved bags-both the 
larger gold foiled and the smaller clear plastic.
I may have gotten some from a fluke production..but it seems to me that the 
gold foiled ones are LESS reliable than the clear plastice model.
Have any of you had troubles with the ziplock coming apart from the bag 
itself of either of these models?
best
Myron Joshua
Kibbutz Kfar Etzion
90912
Israel

On 8/18/06, Myron J  wrote:
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I have had problems with the gold foil valve bags, 1/2# size in my
last two orders.  The Ziplock closure tears away from the baggie wall
pretty easily. On a couple of baggies, it happened on the second or
third time it was opened.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)

I too have had the seperation problem. They are not 'sealed' to the walls of
the bag verry well. I thought I may have gotten hold of a batch just after
the lunch break, or a Monday morning run.
On 8/18/06, Myron J  wrote:
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Myron J wrote:
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Yup, I've only had problems with the large gold-foiled bags. I should go 
back to mason jars for larger roasts. I don't think I've ever had a 
problem with the clear plastic variety.
Cheers,
-Paul

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After about the second or third use on the larger gold-foiled ones.   
(I don't think they were meant to be recycled).
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Have any of =
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best
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Just for the record, I haven't had any trouble with these 1/2 lb gold 
foiled zip-loc bags. I've used three of them so far, and each of those, 
two or three times.
Perhaps more use will show a problem, or perhaps I got a batch that was 
manufactured on Tuesday morning after coffee break.
So far so good.
Dave S.
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On 8/18/06, Myron J  wrote:
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I'd suggest zapping an email to Tom about it -- the couple of times
I've had issues with a shipment or product, SM has responded instantly
and taken care of the problem.  Fantastic customer service.
And to answer your question, no, I haven't had that problem, and I've
used my 1/2 lb gold foil bags over and over again.  I have had no
problems other than a couple not having the valve pierced properly
(easily fixed, just a knife-tip poke to convert it from "no-way" to
"proper one-way"), and some others developing pinholes at "fold" and
"contact points" after a few dozen uses.
But perhaps you've just gotten a bad batch, maybe quality control
wasn't on the ball that day.  I usually buy bags only once every
couple of years, to replace those that have finally developed pinholes
or that weren't returned by the recipient.
Sharon
sallsup

Derek at Sweet Maria's responded to this thread ...
Hello Myron, Terry, Justin, Terry, Paul, Sandy, and others,...
We're sorry to hear about problems with the bags and we have sent out
some replacements when we've heard of failures.
Let us know at info and we'll do our best to replace
anything that went bad.
It helps for us to get feedback even if you think it's a small
problem so we can straighten out as appropriate with the manufacturer.
We haven't had this problem until recently so it looks like QC might
need to be tuned  up at the bag manufacturer.
Best,
Derek & Sweet Maria's
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On 8/19/06, Eddie Dove  wrote:
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Hello Derek,
I purchased 10 of the 1/2 lbs. bags about 4 months ago, and so far 3 have
seperated. 1 seperated when attempting to open it after the first 3 day rest
on the first batch of beans put in and the next one seperated after the
second use. The third got 3 or 4 uses before it let loose.
I was debating whether or not to order any more after the iffy performance
of the first bunch, so I passed on my last order of greens.
TerryT
P.S. Thanks for the great service  I have received over the last year...
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TERRY TITSWORTH wrote:
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I have had about the same failure rate on both the 1/2 and 1 lb bags.

Well, the "original" bags I bought from SM's back in 1999 -- from those
batch, the seals are _still_ great!  In fact, they were so good that when I
got my batch of bad gold-backed valved bags, I thought I was going nuts.
Was I "over" sealing them?  It was so weird.  I finally realized the bags
were defective, contacted Maria, and she took care of it, of course.  This
was in October of 2005.  In the meantime, I seal the new ones very, very
gently, and have had no problems.  
Scott
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On 8/22/06, Scott  wrote:
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I just had another one to tear out. This was it's 3rd or 4th time to
be filled with roasted, so that one was not what I would call a
"premature failure".  The tear was along the "male" side of the zipper
lock and torn loose at the top edge of the rib. It may be that the
zipped seal is too strong, perhaps that the rib fits too tightly into
the channel side of the closure.  It is pretty hard to open.
The coffee in the bag, while not a factor in the tear, was a blend of
2 part Yellow Icatu, one part Ugh-Bug blended pre-roast and roasted to
City+ then blended with 1 part of a generic Guat roasted to FC++.  All
were roasted from small-quantity
"leftover" greens at the plant's shop as a demo for a co-worker.
Little did I know that I was making a non-repeatable blend that turned
out fantastic for Aeropress brewing.
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)