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Topic: roasting smoke (20 msgs / 507 lines)
1) From: Lee XOC
A recent inquiry on another (non-coffee) list has me wondering about
something ...
I have a Freshroast Plus, and I do my roasting in the kitchen.  I don't
roast super-dark, maybe full city + at the most (about 30 secs into 2nd
crack was the very longest I can remember).  I have never seen visible smoke
coming out of the FR.  Only recently I started doing the darker roasts under
the ventilation hood for the range-top, because one of the smoke alarms in
the house started chirping once or twice (not going off all the way) while I
was roasting
Anyone else NOT have a big smoke problem when roasting?  I know you people
who roast pounds at a time for espresso purposes have to resort to the
garage, shed, deck, or wherever, but I can't be the only one who roasts in
the kitchen and doesn't even turn the fan on half the time ... can I?
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Lee in San Diego
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2) From: John - wandering Texas
Lee,
	I have been a FR user and since the week after Christmas an FR+ user.  If I
ever had smoke from the FR it was because I'd just burned the beans :O)  The
FR+ doesn't smoke visibly when I roast - but there is a mild aroma left for
about 90 minutes if I don't use the exhaust fan.
John - waiting on Texas weather to return - this Yankee stuff isn't nice

3) From:
Lee asked:  "Anyone else NOT have a big smoke problem when roasting?"
I rarely roast past the "visibly smoking" point on either my FR original, or
my new WestBend "Coffee Bean Roaster" reclamation project.  I "think" I'm
going to Full City, with a few slightly oily beans; I can see smoke just
starting to come out of the units.  Once, when just learning, I got
distracted and let the FR (on which I had turned the clock back to the
beginning after nearly a full cycle) take a batch to just-about-past-oily;
way too dark for my tastes, and produced A LOT of smoke.  Not a pleasant
odor for our household.  But at my normal roast, we like the lingering
aromas...
My home is in the South East (South Carolina), where my heat pumps are able
to keep the house to within a degree or so of where I set the thermostat,
which is usually 72 (sometimes 74 in the winter, sometimes 70 in the summer;
I have circulation problems, and am sensitive to the environmental
temperature).  Perhaps this gives my roasters a head start, having decent
ambient temp.s, and so they're able to reach my preferred degree of roast
more quickly (or something; someone help me out here...).
Tod
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4) From: alfred
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There must be a market for this stuff.
 I get a little high when I roast so if we could just bottle this stuff?
With all of the hop heads out there and the amount of smoke generated by =
this group?

5) From: gin
I save it in jars and use it for my choo choo trains, and the best part is 
the added extra of the coffee smell.
g
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6) From: Wilson, Steven B
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Hey during my cast iron days, LOL, I got one sever headache when I couldn't
get out of its way.
Has anybody look into the toxic effects of that stuff?
 
Steve W.
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Hey during my cast 
iron days, LOL, I got one sever headache when I couldn't get out of its 
way.
Has anybody look 
into the toxic effects of that stuff?
 
Steve 
W.

7) From: Bob
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MessageThere was some posts a couple months back talking about the =
amount of caffeine in smoke and EPA issues for commercial roasters. =
Stack scrubbers and the like.
It does tend to keep the mosquitoes away though! Maybe we should roast =
before all the garden parties eh? 
Bob

8) From: Johnny Kent
Or during them.
I stayed overnight at a hill tribe village not far from the Sulawesi river
in Thailand years ago. Both the men and women smoked tobacco heavily all
day. Men smoked roll-your-owns and the women smoked pipes. Both had heavy
nicotine stains. They did it to keep the mosquitoes away. There were no
mosquitoes there so it must have worked. Unfortunately there was no coffe
either :-(
At 02:32 PM 5/7/2004 -0600, you wrote:
There was some posts a couple months back talking about the amount of
caffeine in smoke and EPA issues for commercial roasters. Stack scrubbers
and the like.
  
It does tend to keep the mosquitoes away though! Maybe we should roast
before all the garden parties eh? 
  
Bob

9) From: Angelo
Hop heads?? I haven't heard that term in decades.... lol
To quote Lenny Bruce, "Pretty soon they'll be smokin' the needle"
Ciao,
Angelo
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10) From: Wandering John
Ummm - wasn't it "Pot heads" that Lenny coined?
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11) From: Bill Martin
Any hobby involving smoke, the email list eventually gets around to 
this.  My bbq list periodically goes through a wistful look back on the 
good ole days of the 70's.
Funny!
Hop heads came first, then pot heads.
Also known as "tea" back in the 1920's...  (before MY time).  Oregano, 
later on.  We...  I mean,... I've heard, that some people used to carry 
small amounts of oregano in baggies, just to tease the crap out of law 
enforcement.  Back in the days when spending a couple hours in 
detainment while the officials checked out the "substance", was good 
for a hilarious attack of laughter with your buddies as you walked out 
of the station-house.
Remember when several Berkeley students, aided and abetted by people 
all over the country, got the gummint all excited  and upset, when we, 
Uh.... I mean "they"...  circulated the rumor that you could get high 
by drying and smoking banana peels??
The powers that be, authorized and spent millions of dollars in the 
early 70's checking that one out.
No wonder the taxpayers have such a cynical impression of our elected 
officials and minions thereof.
Bill
On May 9, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Wandering John wrote:
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When I was kidnapped, my parents snapped into action. They rented out
my room.  -- Woody Allen

12) From: Dan Bollinger
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MessageI'd like to hear what his source of information is. I have no =
idea of coffee has tannic acid in it or not, but wouldn't be surprised, =
most black grapes do. Tannic acid is what makes cabernet sauvignon so =
powerful a wine. It is also what makes the Rio Negro river in Amazonia =
black (actually tea colored). Oak is loaded with tannic acid and as far =
as I know food smoked over an oak fire is the norm and not toxic. =
Sources please. Any OSHA or MSDS we can refer to?

13) From: Wilson, Steven B
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My father in law last night told me that coffee smoke would have tannic acid
in it and would be a toxic vapor.
I know Tom don't read all this BUT, Maria, can you talk to Tom and his
knowledge on this subject.
And NO we should not be painting and roasting at the same time, Fire hazard
Dude.
P.S. the Moms love their coffee.
Steve
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My father in law 
last night told me that coffee smoke would have tannic acid in it and would be a 
toxic vapor.
I know Tom don't 
read all this BUT, Maria, can you talk to Tom and his knowledge on this 
subject.
And NO we should not 
be painting and roasting at the same time, Fire hazard Dude.
P.S. the Moms love 
their coffee.
Steve

14) From: Scott Morrison

Here is a quick MSDS of Tannic acid. http://www.proscitech.com.au/catalogue/msds/c081.pdf

It does not appear to be too bad for you. I am not even sure of the smoke contain avapor of the acid, see the melting temp is 218 C.

Scott

>From: "Dan Bollinger" <danbollinger> >Reply-To: homeroast >To: <homeroast> >Subject: Re: +Roasting smoke >Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:40:51 -0000 > >MessageI'd like to hear what his source of information is. I have no idea of coffee has tannic acid in it or not, but wouldn't be surprised, most black grapes do. Tannic acid is what makes cabernet sauvignon so powerful a wine. It is also what makes the Rio Negro river in Amazonia black (actually tea colored). Oak is loaded with tannic acid and as far as I know food smoked over an oak fire is the norm and not toxic. Sources please. Any OSHA or MSDS we can refer to? >  

15) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
On May 10, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Wilson, Steven B wrote:
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Ask him what the symptoms of tannic acid poisoning would be - we might 
be able to write a multiple authored/participant equivalent of the 
paper on mad hatter disease.
     Jim Gundlach
On May 10, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Wilson, Steven B wrote:
ArialMy father in law last
night told me that coffee smoke would have tannic acid in it and would
be a toxic vapor.
ArialI know Tom don't read all this
BUT, Maria, can you talk to Tom and his knowledge on this subject.
ArialAnd NO we should not be
painting and roasting at the same time, Fire hazard Dude.
ArialP.S. the Moms love their
coffee.
ArialSteve
Ask him what the symptoms of tannic acid poisoning would be - we might
be able to write a multiple authored/participant equivalent of the
paper on mad hatter disease. 
    Jim Gundlach

16) From: Jeff Wikstrom
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The question is, would we stop roasting?  
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[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Pecan Jim
Gundlach
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:11 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Roasting smoke
On May 10, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Wilson, Steven B wrote:
My father in law last night told me that coffee smoke would have tannic acid
in it and would be a toxic vapor.
I know Tom don't read all this BUT, Maria, can you talk to Tom and his
knowledge on this subject.
And NO we should not be painting and roasting at the same time, Fire hazard
Dude.
P.S. the Moms love their coffee.
Steve
Ask him what the symptoms of tannic acid poisoning would be - we might be
able to write a multiple authored/participant equivalent of the paper on mad
hatter disease. 
Jim Gundlach

17) From: Ed Needham
Do they still make hats?
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18) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
Yes, they still make hats but in a safer way.   Mad Hatter's disease is 
one of the classics of social epidemiology.   They used to make felt by 
soaking pelts in mercury  and pounding them.  The saying "mad as a 
hatter" comes from the effect of mercury on the hatters.  It was one of 
the first occupational diseases studied.
       Jim Gundlach
On May 11, 2004, at 8:27 AM, Ed Needham wrote:
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19) From: Ed Needham
I remember that from S101 
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Ed Needham
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20) From: Wilson, Steven B
Ok, I have to stop using html and digest its hard to read and reply.
But, my step dad is the guy who puts you to sleep before they operate on
you, couldn't get close enough for even spell check to find that occupation.
but a doctor and did some of it in guatamala and noticed the ashes/?? from
the factories. What do those guys do with all that chaff?
and its not llike it's killing toxic, unless..but generally not good to
inhale and would give you a headache.
and I won't stop roasting now, no way, to good and I just started.
I got mad hatter disease from wearing a my cowboy hat to long.
Steve W.


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