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Topic: [Homeroast] "Natural" Coffee? (21 msgs / 360 lines)
1) From: michael brown 
I've got a store in town that is interested in carrying my coffee.  They said they are strictly a "natural product" store and asked me if my coffees are all natural...brain fart...."Uh i guess so."  I don't know that i've been asked or heard of "all natural coffees."
Am i missing something obvious?  The only thing i could think of is if i were to add flavor oils, then it would no longer be natural?  I feel i can safely say that it's grown "naturally,"  then i roast it.  They didn't ask about organic or fair trade, they specifically said natural.  I've got a meeting with them next week and would like to present myself a little bit smarter than i did today!  A true DUH moment.
Thoughts?  Natural vs un-natural coffee?
Thanks in advance!
Michael BB'ham, AL
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2) From: Rich 
Well, either ask for their definition of NATURAL or I would suspect they 
mean "organic".
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3) From: Yakster 
I don't think that there's any standards or certifications for "natural" as
this Chicago Tribune article seems to say:http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ee6lts.*Organic vs. natural a source of confusion in food labeling
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4) From: Yakster 
You could just give them dry processed "natural" coffee's instead of washed
:-)
-Chris
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5) From: Lynne 
No, Michael, *you* don't need to appear smarter - *they* do. (sorry for the
sarcasm)
They* might *mean organic - but then again, I wonder, since they are in the
business,
why they wouldn't say so in the first place? Kopi Luwak is natural - maybe
they want
that. (no insult to weasel-poop coffee lovers...and hey, if you can make a
buck, I say
go for it...)
What you could do is tell them that your supplier, Tom, knows about every
farm that
produces the green coffee that you buy. There are some that are under the
strict "organic"
guidelines, and others that are following organic principles, but haven't
reached what will
pass as "organic" by the guidelines. (read about that on one of the blurbs
on SM's, but I
have no idea which coffee it was). I'd especially add that no non-natural
substance is added
to prolong the shelf life of the coffee (that's why it will go stale after
awhile, yadda yadda
yadda).
The term 'natural' is such a PR ploy, IMHNSO. As a writer, terms like this
are something
that can drive me nuts. Arsenic is natural, but I really don't want it in my
food or any other
products that touch my body, lol.
Lynne
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a "natural product" store and asked me if my coffees are all natural...brain
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so."  I don't know that i've been asked or heard of "all natural coffees."
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6) From: Ryan M. Ward 
I do not believe "natural" has a legal definition like "organic" does. As I recall, it is mainly a marketing term and asserts that the majority of your ingredients are unrefined or something like that. Its really kind of bogus as I understand it.
Personally, given what they are asking, I would assume that as it applies to you they want to know that you aren't adding anything to the beans at roast time like artificial vanilla nastiness, and that they are not treated with chemicals (IE: if offering decaf, I would avoid solvent processed beans, go with Swiss water or possibly CO2 if they are ok with that.)
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7) From: Ryan M. Ward 
Yeah, good call. I didn't think of that- they might actually mean organic. A lot of people get these terms confused.
If nothing else, I see that Tom has some Organic beans. 
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8) From: Phil Palmintere 
Tell them only dry process is "natural" as wet process involves the
dangerous chemical dihydrogen monoxide.  :-)
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9) From: Jim Couch 
And, We all know how dangerous Dihydrogen Monoxide is. it is a "universal"
solvent over exposure is deadly and has been found in 100% of a water
treatment systems, and is impossible to remove from those same systems!!!!
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Phil Palmintere

10) From: John A C Despres 
And at higher temperatures, dihydrogen monoxide produces vapors that escape
into the atmoshpere.
But, I must confess, I'm addicted to it in my coffee. A good cuppa Joe just
ain't the same without...
John
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11) From: Ryan M. Ward 
They are using that stuff to treat our coffee!!! Well, time to call a concerned citizen's group together!!!
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12) From: Amy Bailey 
Why doesn't the government crack down on our addiction to this pervasive
substance?!
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13) From: John A C Despres 
The government doesn't crack down on it because certain industries like the
medical profession say dihydrogen monoxide is good for you. In REPEATED
DOSAGES!
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14) From: Phil Palmintere 
Not to mention that evaporated Dihydrogen monoxide is a powerful
greenhouse gas...
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15) From: Lynne 
To make matters even worse, I hear there's a cultural practice by some who
actually freeze dihydrogen monoxide in small portions and place the
resulting substance in alcohol. They then digest the result, often in group
settings.
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Phil Palmintere

16) From: Ryan M. Ward 
This must be why they tax it!
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17) From: Ryan M. Ward 
Other more daring and rebellious members of this culture, or so I have read...., like to freeze dihydrogen Monoxide and then add it and liquid dihydrogen monoxide to the bowls of their hookahs! They then allow the tobacco smoke to pass through this heinous substance.  
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18) From: John A C Despres 
For further study:http://www.dhmo.org/John
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19) From: Ryan M. Ward 
Well any academic institution which has an advertisement for a South Park book on its website clearly employs the best in the field! 
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20) From: Martin Maney 
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I hope you didn't overlook the link to the Acme Klein Bottle site. 
South Park is, well, South Park, but an Acme Klein bottle is a
non-metric topological manifold!
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21) From: John A C Despres 
The Carl Frederich Gauss page is quite funny as well. Fun site.
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