<Snip> Oh Noooooo....... Ice? Gack! Neat; maybe with a little bit of water.... but 50:50?? Now I admit, I haven't ever tried it 50:50. I will strive to be open minded and give it a go. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. But ice? Not for me! Bob Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Bob, Yes, I believed in my post I mentioned that it was already covered. I try to cover my cybertracks between my coffee's and SBOI drinks. ;^)) On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Bob Hazen wrote: <Snip> -- Ambassador for Specialty Coffee and palate reform. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
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My formula is 28 g coffee + 450 ml water for a full CCD which yields two 200 ml cups. I've also made single cups at 14 g coffee and 225 ml water for a single 200 ml cup. In either case, I use two timers, the first set for 30 seconds to take care of the bloom using about 50 ml of water and the second set for five minutes for the extraction. Both these methods have resulted in cups within the desired TDS and % extraction: 1.2-1.45% TDS and 18-22% extraction. I use the same timers for Chemex and have good luck making 600 ml (half pot) in the Chemex using these same timings and grind as for the CCD. I use 42 g coffee and 675 ml water for a 600 ml pot. This theoretically yields three 200 ml cups, but in practice fills up my Wife's travel mug with about 200 ml and mine with about 400 ml for the commute to work in the morning. I really enjoy the Chemex and it's increasing my coffee consumption in the morning which makes up for the fact that I don't drink coffee until I have a chance to make it again either at work in the afternoon or when I get home. Where this is all falling apart on me is for the full Chemex pot. I've tried grinding much coarser using 1350 ml of water and 84 g coffee to yield 1200 ml of brewed coffee, but it just won't drain in five minutes... it's taking about nine minutes to pour the water through for this size batch which worries me even though it is tasting good. The TDS and % Extraction were also on the high side, 1.53 % and 22.11 % respectively. Any tips for making full Chemex pots? I don't get much of a chance to experiment since I need company to use this volume of coffee. Maybe I should take a tip from this NYT article and just add water... do the bypass brewing trick and use less water for the Chemex extraction, whatever volume will drain in five minutes with 84 g coffee and make up for the volume by adding in hot water to the concentrated brew after the fact. Does this make sense? -Chris On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
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I've been traveling this week, and using my CCD for my hotel room-coffee. The best I've been able to do is to use a water glass to estimate the amount of pre-ground homeroast grounds, then use TLAR (That Looks About Right) for the water. What I've been drinking has been WAY BETTER, than anything else available! Dave Some days... It's just not worth chewing through the leather straps On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
I made a little travel kit out of a case I picked up at a thrift store designed to carry Wii game remotes for my coffee tools.http://www.ezgear.com/Wii/Wii_ezTote.html. I had to cut down the top handle of the AeroPress stirring tool to make it fit but it holds that plus AeroPress filters, a mini-whisk, coffee scoops, etc to make a light travel kit. I also bring a hand grinder an AeroPress or CCD. I estimate that a regular coffee scoop is 7 g and the AeroPress coffee scoop (which I use to measure at home) is 14 g. That's why most of my measurements for ground coffee are in multiples of 7 and 14 g. Since the regular scoop fits better for traveling I use that now. Thanks for the conversions to fluid ounces... I've weaned myself off of using ounces for measurements now and just use grams and ml to make things easier. The hardest part for me was thinking of green coffee inventory in kg instead of pounds, and it's still a work in progress, but I've got about 20 kilos of greens in inventory now (very roughly 45 pounds). The measurement for water for two cups (450 ml) is just below the top of the filters I'm using after dialing it in and measuring it, I just eyeball it now. I find it much more difficult to estimate 225 ml for a single cup, though, because of the tapered sides of the CCD, so I'll usually measure this if I'm really going to do a single cup. I'm really loving the CCD and have one at work... I was using both of them for side-by-side for comparing different things like aerating coffee. -Chris Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
Nothing inherently wrong with a goal of "satisfactory" coffee. Most definitely preferable to "unsatisfactory" coffee. OTOH some choose goals of excellence which includes exploring boudaries and variations. Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee www.NorwestCoffee.com URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ <Snip> <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
According to RayO's story the ship went to the bottom because the captain took the ship to the bottom because he was content with "satisfactory coffee" or piloting the ship business as usual and making sure the paint on his ships hull didn't get a scratch on it. Or in my case kept the paint on the front door fresh but didn't care to do much with the business inside. In my case I have found that if I let my new staff stay content with "satisfactory coffee" the shop down the street will draw more and more of my clientele and soon my business sails will falter. If I am drinking coffee or desperate for my am cup I will suffer through "satisfactory" coffee but as a purveyor of the Black Gold I will always seek out and drive my family and friends to a shop like yours miKe before I will suggest the run of the mill cup at "joes" place down the street. We have all been there. RayO ? got any more books? Joe On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:18 AM, miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> -- Ambassador for Specialty Coffee and palate reform. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
I don't see that in Ray's post at all, Joe... Ray's never been an advocate of mediocrity that I recall. Captain Smith took the mostly untried Titanic out and lost the gamble trying something new. Lessons were learned and passenger ships improved. None since has sunk since scratching the paint on an iceberg. Try something new and if it doesn't meet satisfaction, try something new again. Don't give up trying. Great story, Ray. John On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Joseph Robertson wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
John, Sorry if you misunderstood my post or extreamly sorry if RayO did. First I was not replying to RayO's post. Second I am and always will be on the same page as RayO's when it comes to "mediocrity" or in our case coffee quality. Third and maybe most important I was replying to miKe's comment not RayO's comment. I was riding on the topic and using what I understood RayO to be saying in regards to The Captain paying attention and taking advice from a junior seaman in this case a book RayO used as an example called "Management for Dummies". I was serious in this regard. If you or RayO have a book I have not read on, in this case coffee or the coffee world please tell me your favorites. Now as we know John these threads can get convoluted in left field from the original topic but I find it very fun to follow any thread that RayO posts to. Not only do I find it fun but a challenge to interpret and respond to correctly. When I post from gmail I hit reply nest to the person that I want to following in line with and my post is more a reply to that person with all the above posts as conversation leading up to my post. Ohhh, so many ways to be misunderstood here on this way of conversing verus face to face. In fact I'm wondering at this point if you understand what I have just said here. I hope RayO and mike do because I know we are mostly on the same page when it comes to mediocrity and coffee quality. I am aware that scratching the paint doesn't usually sink a ship unless it is an ice berg you scratch it with. My point with that part John was that if the captain was more concerned with something more than scratching the paint he might come up with more than "satisfactory'" coffee or improve his craft of seamanship. I'm all for making mistakes if we do something with the information it can provide us. What is that old story about Benjamin making 700 mistakes before we got a light bulb that would work. Well I'm still pulling shots and roasting to come close to the shots I get from miKe's M. shop. Much to learn here as a Padawan coffee guy. Very sorry if I misread or confused anyone here John especially veteran Lister's like you. Sincerely, Joseph On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:52 AM, John A C Despres wrote: <Snip> -- Ambassador for Specialty Coffee and palate reform. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
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Sorry all, I see this has already been addressed. From: Andy Thomas To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this list, = available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html"= Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 2:17:25 PM Subject: Re: [Homeroast] New York Times article on adding water to wineandc= offee From: Joseph Robertson theotherjo "...if I let my new staff stay content with "satisfactory coffee" the shop = down = the street will draw more and more of my clientele..." If you define "satisfactory" as mediocre, yes. To me it means something t= hat = satisfies, meets my needs and expectations. Mediocrity is not satisfactory = to me = nor, I'd bet, to many people on this list, at least not as applied to coffe= e. = Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmar=iascoffee.com Homeroast community pictures -upload yours!) : =http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=7820 = Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmar=iascoffee.com Homeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee=.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=7820 |
Andy, Thanks for your clarification. Joe On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Andy Thomas wrote: <Snip> -- Ambassador for Specialty Coffee and palate reform. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
One more thing- <..."satisfactory" coffee. Most definitely preferable to "unsatisfactory" coffee.> ["satisfactory" as in For Four Bucks It'll Do? or "satisfactory," I'll pay for it?] If coffee were served and paid On Approval, with the stipulation that any cup be rejected or approved with a completed rating survey- one per evening. That Cup or Shot is refunded when you turn in the survey at the end of the visit if the comments are specific, whether negative or positive. The inevitable habitual whiners have to correctly assess the Dreck cup faults to get the free cup or shot. Consider hiring the ones that are consistently correct. My point with Titanic was that even the state-of-the-art ship of the day with the most thoroughly vetted, experienced and respected Captain [not] at the wheel, was doomed by a series of events. Captain Smith's credentials were such that he should have seen things accumulating against his ship. Foresight on just one of the problems might have broken the cascade and prevented the disaster, although the missing binoculars for the Crow's Nest might not have helped in the available darkness. Imagine the radio operators of the most powerful receiver and transmitter afloat favoring commercial traffic over weather and iceberg warnings? Smith let his crew do things that cascaded the disaster, and was asleep during passage through a known ice field. They diverted south, but not quite far enough so they wouldn't lose record time getting to New York. E.J. is on my "No Sail List" because of his misteaks. Misteaks contribute to the mathematical variation that W. Edwards Deming taught Japanese manufacturers to use to rein in quality control issues after UUW2. The Japanese, starting from nearly Zero, listened and learned. Big American [auto] manufacturers wouldn't give him the time of day. It shouldn't have, but our stuff went pretty flaky. It's pretty hard to learn when You Already Know. American women, who might not have known anything about manufacturing, acquitted themselves pretty well building the Rolls-Royce super charged V-12 Merlin engines for P51 Mustang aircraft. The Meteor was the same engine for tanks, without the blowers. When you have a dog in the race, things begin to happen. Even the Master Race had no chance against American women in a Packard factory in Detroit. Cheers, Mabuhay, Lloniannau -RayO, aka Opa! Got Grinder? On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 8:18 AM, miKe mcKoffee wrote: <Snip> -- Persist in old ways; expect new results - suborn Insanity... Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
RayO, Another wonderful story. My father served under Patton's Third army in ww2 so I can relate to many of your references regarding technology durning the ww2. Thank you for your analogy's to coffee quality. Joe On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:07 PM, wrote: <Snip> -- Ambassador for Specialty Coffee and palate reform. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://host.sweetmariascoffee.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast_lists.sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |