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Topic: FUJI PXR3 roasting controller after 50 + roasts (7 msgs / 219 lines)
1) From: Douglas H. Boutell
After my old straight linear controller died I decided to purchase a FUJI PXR3 controller that had multiple ramps and hold times. I will describe two different systems that will work very good, it all depends on what you want and how much you want to pay . System 1 Fuji PXR3 with a pulse SSR(solid state relay) sells for $151.00 PXR3 Controller Model # RCY1-4v $129.00 SSR Model # RS1A23D25 25 amp 22.00 System 2 PXR3 with a 4-20 milliamp DC linear analog contol signal sells for $235.00 PXR3 Controller Model # REY1-4v $129.00 SSR Model # RE2425 AA06 25 amp$106.00 Both Item purchased at ttiglobal.com/ The staff at TTI are very nice and helpful. After a few roasts I was so impressed I decided to buy system 2 to see the difference between the two. Both systems work very good and follows your programmed input almost dead nuts on. I am very impressed with the controller and how accurate it follows the profile. The only time it can not follow the profile is when you exceed the available BTU's output from your heating coils. Or as Captain Kirk from Star Trek says! Scotty give me more power. If the roaster can not keep up with the profile just reduce the bean weight . The controller will speak to you when you are roasting. The C1 light will pulse on and off when the heat is applied and when the light stays on and does not pulse and it is a good indication that the profile is not being met. As the system pulses you can feel the difference in the pulses as the heat is applied. The ability to feel the heat change on the pulses being switched on and off prodded me buy the other system. I wanted to see if the finished product was better tasting when taken to the same temp and profile. There is a slight different in taste with system 2 . There is a richer flavor and a more defined acidity. How much, I can't tell you but there is a slight difference. Is it worth the higher price- that is up to each person- not for me to decide. I sent Jim Schulman an Excel file from the Extech data logger on the readings taken every 10 sec thru-out the roast with the programmed set points. He liked what he was seeing from the data logger. He will have his PXR3 on line in a few days. With the help from TTi I was able to program the controller and when I ordered the second system, I had them pre-program the controller for me. They now have a file on site that is called "JIM SCHULMAN" roasting profile. I wanted to use his profile because it had multiple different times . It had 20/min ,30/min, 15/min, and the 10/min. I thought this would put the PXR3 thru it's paces and see how well it followed the programmed profile. For the true fluid bed roaster his profile is very good. A good balance between acidity and body. When you change one segement of his profile from 15/min to 10/min you will be able to taste the difference in the roasted coffee. You are really able to control the roasting with the PXR3. One problem with the PXR3 is the insane numbers of profiles you can now use with ease. Will this make coffee roasting more fun or frustrating. The difference with system 2 is the way the dc linear signal operates the SSR . Instead of pulses there is a signal sent to the relay and when you need more heat it applies more voltage to the relay and that is like a hand on the variac turning the dial for more voltage to the coils. You have a steady application of heat being applied instead of a pulsed heat. I still operate the fan manually and will not try to automate the process because of the different bean moisture content and bean density. I also highly recommend a heat sink for the relay, they generate a lot of heat. I am able to use the controller with any roasters all you do is unplug one roaster and plug in another.. For those who do not want to spend the time to learn each profile and want a simple way of roasting ths FUJI PXR3 works very good. Oh yes! more toys to play with. What's that old saying "He who dies with the most TOYS wins". Later Doug Boutell

2) From: Bob Yellin
Sensational!! Any chance for step-by-step instructions or a schematic = from the input voltage to the PXR (line voltage?) to the place the roaster is plugged in? Which system, 1 or 2 do you prefer (recommend)? Bob Yellin <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> applied <Snip> <Snip> Is it <Snip> <Snip> coffee <Snip> <Snip> heat. <Snip> <Snip>

3) From: Ken Mary
<Snip> Would you describe your temperature probe specs and placement? In all my work with thermocouples, I could never find a placement (inlet, bean, or exhaust) that was not subject to airflow errors. Can this or similar controllers operate with no temperature feedback? --

4) From: Greg Scace
The Fuji PXR3 is the controller that I have in my Silvia. I think it's a great controller and I intend to install one in my Has Garanti roaster. -Greg

5) From: Bob Yellin
Thanks so much. TTI is about a half hour from where I live - I think I'm hooked!! Bob <Snip> <Snip> <Snip> = <Snip> is <Snip>http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html

6) From: Douglas H. Boutell
Hi Bob, The mechanical set up fo the PXR3 is very simple. The initial programming of the unit took time and I called for help from TTI. If you decide to buy let TTI program the unit with Jim Schulman's profile. Then it is simple to change the profile. You have two inputs to the back of the PXR3 controller. One for the 110 v power for the unit and I placed a switch in line for on-off. The other is for the TC input. The TC has a + - input . If you do not know which is + or - just connect it up and turn the unit on. Place the TC bead in warm water if it rises its connected correctly. If it goes colder reverse the connectors. The display automatically shows the TC reading. You have one output from the controller which is C1, that is also + and -. The instructions show the proper + - settings The output goes directly to the relay which has + and - on the relay. I have a power cable coming into the box . One side is connected to a wall plug and the other line goes to the relay and then back to the wall plug. Plug the power cord of the roaster into the wall plug . I plug the fan into the variac and manually set the speed. The controller with the TC input then controls the relay for the power to the roaster. At the present time I am leaning towards System 2 for more of a uniform heat being applied. This systen ( one or two) is far superior to what I was doing before and the quality of my roast are just excellent. The learning curve to adjust the heating coils for a certain roasting profile took time. With the PXR3 it does it automatically and now all I have to do is drive myself crazy trying different profiles to see what profile I like the best. All of the testing has been done with FR and later I will try the Cafe Rosto. Doug Boutell Bob Yellin wrote: <Snip>

7) From: Douglas H. Boutell
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi Ken, I am using a bead "K" type of TC. In my FR roaster I place the TC about 1 inch above the greens hoping when the roast is finished that the TC is about a 1/2 inch below the top of the roasted beans. This varys form bean to bean because of the expansion of the bean. Their will be a variation in airflow temps as the beans are being roasted according to the amount of heat absorbed . You will have different density and moisture content that the heat must deal with. Another problem that I ran into was the screen on the chaff collector. I have removed the screen because of back pressure effecting the TC probe. Also some beans have a lot of chaff . Its amazing how much the roasts are effected with a small amout of debris on the screen and especially the chaff that clogs the airflow. . You need the feed back from the TC to work correctly. Other than 0-1800 + I do not have any specs on the TC. Doug Boutell <Snip>


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